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QotD helpfully actually has a table of contents, altho the 'parts' and 'chapters' are all still uneven.

Part1:1-3 (Twins, Baby Jenks,Pandora)
Part1:4 (Daniel)
Part1:5&6 (Khayman and Jesse)
Part2
Part3:1-3 (Lestat, Marius, Lestat)
Part3:4 (Twins)
Part3:5&6 (Lestat, Twins)
Part3:7&8 (Lestat, Twins)
Parts4&5

Happy Reading!
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Whoops, I keep forgetting to write a post about sections as I go. Think I've supposed to have covered part vi, and part vii split over two weeks.

So, Lestat and Gabrielle (who I v. nearly wanted to call Gabby just now, like a suicidal human) travelled across Europe and down to Egypt, and diverged in their lifestyles as he searched for meaning whilst she explored all the random things she wanted to know. I liked the hints of over immortals out there, hints at a broader world than we could get in Lestat's story. And then... Egypt. Nicki. The revolution and his family. Kind of sad, really, that he sent so much money and tried to spoil his family only to have his father of all people be the only survivor. No wonder he hated him so much in IwtV. The tragedy of Nicki always breaks my heart.

And then, finally, we get to meet Marius! My teenage love of Armand already endeared me to his maker, and oh, who knew I really have a thing for older men, and the scholarly type would be right up my alley. (I did, however, want to slap him for his line about how women are generally weak unless they're exceptional like Pandora or Gabrielle, and then they're unpredictable. I don't know how much I want to blame character's shitty misogyny on Bad Writing Anne or them just being low key dicks, but oh well. I love me a problematic fave.) It's funny how we end up getting about three versions of his story, first the one he tells Lestat, then the one Armand tells, then the one he tells us.

But doesn't Lestat just reek of Mary-Sueness that of all vampires who have sought out Marius and Those Who Must Be Kept, and the history, it is him that Marius seeks out to tell all? (Plus the fact he evokes such strong reactions from Akasha and Enkil, because of course he does.) And then to have Marius tell him he can't share this knowledge with anyone, even future fledglings, which contributes to the resentment and attempted murder by Claudia & Louis...
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 I've got a confession to make, y'all. I came into book club thinking that these books were really not going to hold up for me. Anne Rice gets criticized a lot for being really maudlin and purple prose-y, and sometimes she totally is. I think it's part of why I don't love Interview; Louis is just too much, and the OTT-ness of it is just kind of a bore after a while. But I'm SHOCKED by how well I think The Vampire Lestat holds up. This section in particular really sealed it for me. There is some gorgeous writing here, especially with the stuff in Cairo. Lestat's reaction to Nicki's demise is just so heartbreaking, as is the final goodbye between Lestat and Gabrielle. Just really great stuff.

I find the incompatibility between Lestat and Gabrielle fascinating. They have such different ways of looking at the world and understand their role within it. I think if I were a vampire I might be more like Lestat, living in the thick of civilization and traveling to all the great cities and just eating up as much of life and culture as I could. But there's something so bold and alluring about Gabrielle's desire to explore the remote places, too, and become something wild and animal. One of the things I admire so much about Gabrielle is that she really seems to understand the possibilities of her powers and see the potential in what she can do and be in a way that Lestat really doesn't. Coming back to this book after so long, I find I admire her now in a way I never did before. I'll be sad to see her leave the story (for now).

That said, MARIUS!!! I do love me some Marius. Can't wait! :)
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I found it fascinating, as Armand shared his story, and then begged to be allowed to join Lestat and Gabrielle on their journey. Lestat doesn't just say no...

"I've been a rebel always," I said. "You've been a slave of everything that ever claimed you."
"I was the leader of my coven!"
"No. You were the slave of Marius and then of the Children of Darkness. You fell under the spell of one and then the other. What you suffer now is the absence of a spell."


And

"We cannot be Marius for you," I said, "or the dark lord, Santino. We are not artists with great vision that will carry you forward. And we are not evil coven masters with the conviction to condemn a legion to perdition. And this domination--this glorious mandate--is what you must have."

Anyway, all this is to say that Armand is the bottomiest bottom to ever bottom (even if he's a power bottom) and basically Lesat hasn't the patience to be his top. (Also, yeah, let's find Marius. I love Marius.)
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"Now and then eyes settled on me with some vague air of expectation. My white skin made them pause, but what was that when they let blood out of their veins themselves to keep their delicate pallor? (Let me hold the basin for you and drink it afterwards)"

Who else has a favourite line or quote?
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Oh, Nicki! He is such a tragic figure. It breaks my heart, how utterly doomed he and Lestat are.

"Disaster, my son." Gabrielle captures so much truth in so few words.

It's an interesting thing, about the mad old vampire queen, and her observations on Magnus, that so many vampires kill themselves after 300 or so years. Like, human minds aren't really built for immortality, and slowly but inexorably they are driven mad by their unchanging longevity. There might be exceptions to ones who can manage longer, and also many are killed by their vampire brethren because of the Children of Darkness satanic bullshit, but how many get through the their first couple centuries before time starts to take its toll, and Forever Death becomes more & more appealing?

But still, as a teenager, oh how I craved a vampire willing to give me the Dark Gift, hahahahaha. At what age do you think would be best to be turned into a vampire? I feel like, as a woman, being turned around 30 wouldn't be too bad. But 40's or 50's would be ok too, since according to Lestat his mother lost a lot of her age lines and gained a more youthful appearance after he changed her. So you get a decent lifetime of experience as a human, before starting on the Devil's Road.

Gabrielle

Apr. 7th, 2018 05:53 pm
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 Ah yes, we have now reached the squicky incesty portion of the book!

Squicky or not, man, I really enjoy Gabrielle. It's so refreshing for once to have a character who, when faced with the possibility of becoming a vampire, is just like, "Yep, sign me up!" And it's also really fascinating that she sees so much more potential in her vampiric powers than Lestat ever could, because after a lifetime of oppression and REpression that he's never known, she has the total freedom to do exactly what she wants and to be what she wants. It's pretty bad ass.

Why do we think Lestat is so bothered initially by Gabrielle's decision to change her appearance, to cut her hair and wear men's clothes? He doesn't seem like someone easily shocked, but this seems to genuinely trouble him at first. I found that surprising.
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 Hearkening back to Tir's post from last week, this passage caught my attention...

"There was meaning in the world, yes, and laws, and inevitability, but they had only to do with the aesthetic.... A thousand other things can be said about the world, but only aesthetic principles can be verified."

Y'all, if that ain't Hannibal Lecter... 
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 Just some random thoughts:

That bit where Lestat is near death and he hallucinates all the things that he wanted was so sad and so telling. His mother smiling at him and telling him she loves him back; and being in the monastery with a monk telling him he's a great scholar and can read everything; getting a standing ovation at the theater from Marie Antoinette; and then the last thing is Nicki, before the image breaks. 

I wonder why everything else was so positive, so much fantasy, but Nicolas' image alone is the one that was full of tears and anguish. Is it a foreshadowing of what is to come for him and Nicolas? 


Also ugh, there is such a rapey vibe with Lestat and Magnus, especially since he'd caught that vision of Magnus drinking from the helpless vampire he'd captured. "Treachery it was, the theft of immortality." And he begs him to stop so many times, and it is all really terrible and ugh, Magnus you are so gross. 

Magnus

Mar. 31st, 2018 05:31 pm
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What do you think of Magnus? Why do you think he turned Lestat so quickly but not any of those others in the tower?

Also, who else noticed the very things Lestat would laugh at Louis for doing, like getting enamoured with candle flames, were very distracting for him in the beginning too?
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So, I'm rather grateful that Anne seems to have discovered chapter breaks for TVL, as it made it much easier to read when it didn't go on and on. It meant that when I started on Thursday I was able to finish by Saturday without feeling like reading was a chore.

I was also amused, because while I remembered Tirlaeyn and I had a running conversation over many nights that we referred to as Our Conversation, I had forgotten that it was because that was what Lestat called his meet-ups with Nicki. Ours had no drinking or Golden Moments tho.

I had forgotten just how extra Lestat can be. Like, I remembered he was the Brat Prince, but still, he is so very vain and over the top. Incredibly charismatic but also I feel like he could be diagnosed as bipolar with his swings between manic passion and dark depression.

Also, I could really visualise the wolf-hunting scene and I really hope the cinematic version lives up to the tense description given in the book. I'm not sure what other scenes I really want to see on the screen, although I was picturing Gillian Anderson as Gabrielle as she had the conversation with Lestat how she was dying.

Who can you picture as Lestat, Nicki, or Gabrielle? Or any of the other minor characters so far?
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I want to keep the Hannibal chatter on here to a dull roar, but...

"Always I'd felt that I couldn't be a good human being and fight them. To be good meant to be defeated by them. Unless of course I found a more interesting idea of goodness."

Can we discuss this quote and how it relates to how Will sees the world compared to how Hannibal sees it? And maybe compare Lestat and Nicki to Hannibal and Will?
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Nicolas de Lenfent

How do you feel about Nicki? Do you like him more or less than Louis so far?
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Lestat. Do you feel differently about this version of Lestat compared to the version in IwtV? Which do you like better? Do you believe one is a more honest representation? Which one?
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Opinions on Gabrielle, Lestat's mother? Thoughts on womanhood and motherhood and her life of quiet rebellion against them?
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Do you feel that ache? I have lived that quiet, meaningless life. Rice captures that intensity of youth, the desperation to escape the ordinary and create meaning and goodness.

Opinions on Lestat's philosophy of goodness vs. Nicki's cynicism? Do you find yourself agreeing with one or the other? A mixture of both?
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So for the most part, this book divides well by the existing sections. Section seven is a bit long, so I broke it in half.

Week One: prologue and section one
Week Two: section two
Week Three: section three
Week Four: section four
Week Five: section five
Week Six: section six
Week Seven: section seven 367-425
Week Eight: section seven 426-494
Week Nine: Epilogue
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"Which one of you did it? Which one of you made me what I am?" -still one of the best lines.

I feel so bad for Claudia. I mean, she never got a choice in being made, and then here she has these two fathers (with a side of creepy father-lover in Louis) that continue to treat her like the child she appears to be for decades. Buying her dolls and dressing her up. Even as they educate her and take her hunting and all that, just... No wonder she gets to be so fucked up, she has no recollection of her humanity, she's stuck in a child body, with a messed up family dynamic.

And then there's Lestat's eventual obsession with the boy musician. Partly I think he knew things were changing or going to change at some point. Louis doesn't know, but don't we find out in later books that it's sort of inevitable that a vampire's children leave their maker because too long together they get sick of each other's idiosyncrasies? That the telepathic block works against them? And the boy being a musician, I can't help feeling Lestat is repeating Nicki all over again, and trying to distract himself from the break-up...

I do understand s bit, in their first four years together, why Lestat may have held info about his human life and his vampire origins close, but, by the time Claudia's questioning things, he really couldn't open up and share that with them? I know, Louis is still a dramatic emo, and Claudia is a weird child-monster, but damn, Lestat, no wonder your kids want to kill you when you still won't open up to them. (I really miss how much we're not really seeing/getting the Brat Prince Lestat in this story. How much is it Louis being an unreliable narrator and how much is it Lestat screwing things up?)

I'd totally forgotten how intense the attempted murder of Lestat was. Like I was reading but sitting on the edge of my seat nearly biting my nails, even though I knew how the scenes would go! And once again Louis transitions from one life to the next by burning down his house.

Did anyone else find themselves reading about his life he built with Lestat and Claudia and going, "but what happened to Babette? You said you saved her physical life, but didn't expand on her tragedy. What was it?!" And finally he gets back to mentioning what happened, but it took a while.
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It's been a long time since I read this book, but one thing that stuck with me over the years was how much of a struggle it could be to read. The way Louis speaks, how he tries to explain things, I sometimes find myself reading a sentence two or three times because by the end I've forgotten what he said at the start of it. And I don't remember caring, the first time around, but this time, I kind of hate the way Daniel is "the boy" as he interviews Louis. Maybe it's a stilly thing, but I wonder if I'd be less distracted by him being referred to by name or as the interviewer than just "the boy."

Louis isn't really that sympathetic, is he? I wonder if the attraction to him as a teenage girl was because he was so self-involved and constantly putting on airs that it was totally relatable. I'm not like other vampires = I'm not like other girls for emo/goths? :P

For all his protests that he didn't like Lestat, he doesn't really show any attempt to bond with him? Lestat could be a dick, but when did Louis ever ask about how he came to be in New Orleans with a living father? And oh, Lestat is so handsome but soooo annoying I'm totally not into him, boy are you ever lying to yourself Louis.

Lestat seems to have read a whole lot of fanfiction. BedCoffin sharing, anyone? Also, I can't help thinking if Lestat had tried at being a woe-is-me emo about his life, Louis would have fallen in love with him in a trice. Instead he rather bumbled about trying to make Louis happy with pretty shiny things, and then, some "accidental" baby acquisition to try and solve things. (I am way more creeped out this time by Louis describing her turned into a vampire as now having a woman's eyes and a sensual voice, what the fuck. What the fuck.)

As much as I complain about Louis being a whining dramatic emo, this quote stood out to me beyond its context:

"People who cease to believe in God or goodness altogether still believe in the devil. I don't know why. No, I do indeed know why. Evil is always possible. And goodness is eternally difficult."

I thought that was one good descriptor of the struggle with human nature, the struggle to be kind or good is not naturally easy for people.
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It's been interesting to re-read Interview because I'm much more familiar with the events of the movie than the book, having seen it more recently and MANY more times than I've read the book. But one of the most WTF changes in this early part, to me, is the movie making the death of Louis' wife, rather than brother, the source of his grief, because it doesn't seem like there was any good reason for it, I guess?

I've heard people make the argument that giving Louis a dead wife in the movie "de-gayed" him, but they leaned in pretty hard to the homoeroticism in the movie, so I don't think that really explains it.

Maybe it's just an easier trauma for an audience to relate to? I don't know.

I realize this isn't a deep question or anything, LOL, but any thoughts?
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